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Miss Annalisa James #1
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Subject: How long does the average corset take to make?
I am curious.....How long does it take to make the average good quality under-bust corset? I am an experienced seamstress, but I have never attempted corsetry.
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Morgaine #2
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Hmm I would think that depends on the person making it. If it was the only project being worked on and you were experienced with it I would think anywheres from 2 days to a week. But then again I dont make them I just quilt so I dont know nutin.
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tighter_jen #3
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Morgaine's estimates are strangely accurate...

I made an underbust corset last autumn, and it took me a weekend to complete it - including time for other regular household activities. So I figure it took me at most six hours. I started from an existing pattern for an overbust corset that fit well at time (and still does...) and just cut out the paper pattern appropriately shorter. I had the materials already on hand, so it went quickly.

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It took 10-12 weeks, the last couple of times I ordered. Then add the time in the mail.
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Hi- When I make my corsets I start from a scratch, (graph paper and pencil,) then draft a pattern.  After I have the pattern I do mock-ups or rough draft corsets that test my pattern so see if everything is ok before I use the good fabric.  Then after the pattern is good I make the corset.

The corsets I make range in the time it takes to make them depending on the pattern or difficulty to just plain how everything is going but I would say time taking to make a regular corset is about a weekend to a week depending.  I am also a slow-poke sewer, (in my opinion,) and I have heard of quick seamstresses knocking one out in no time.  :)
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tighter_jen #6
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For starting from scratch, that's about it... I use an Excel spreadsheet calculator I cooked up to my body size - and still needs a little tweaking here and there - to get the general measurements, draw it out in Corel Draw, where I make the final tweaking (making the panels fit together exactly - eventually I'll put this tweaking process into the spreadsheet), trace the pattern out by hand, cut the fabric, sew, put in the eyelets, the bones, the busk... total time eight to twelve hours of work, spread out over a weekend to a week.

Right now I have a good pattern for my shape that adapts well to size and length changes, so most, if not all, of the calculating is no longer required. I retrace the base pattern, and make the adjustments accordingly, using my experience and instinct as a guide. Saves quite a bit of time and I get a well-fitting corset every time. As they say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Sewing quickly is a matter of confidence and experience. I go along at moderate speed to take care to follow the seam lines I put in, and catch any errors or mechanical mishaps before they go too far - so there's at least two or three hours of work. Someone who works on a sewing machine all day would probably zip through the whole thing in less than an hour.

Jennifer.
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lilmizcheezcake #7
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Wow doing all the drafting stuff on the computer sounds really interesting and (dare I say...fun without risking my reputation of folks thinking I am a nerd?  :)

I do all my drafting the caveman way with my measurements, graph paper taped together, (because I can’t seem to find the big rolls), and a quilting ruler.  I love doing it that way though.  It is one of my favorite parts, drafting the corset.  The sewing part I try my best to not rush it.  I have a bad tendency to not have any patients and just wanting my new corset to be done.  So I make a point of trying to be slow and not mess anything up.

Right now I am working on my master pattern and will be so happy when it is done, and I can do the same thing as you and just adjust measurements for the next one.  I am almost there and then I plan on starting my training. (Yaaeeh!)

I was wondering what kind of fabric you use for your corsets?  I got some coutil from tutu.com because they were the most affordable as far as coutil goes, but I wouldn't recommend them.  I wasn't very happy with the coutil because it has quite a bit of stretch and I don't know how that is possible because coutil isn't suppose to stretch!  I am thinking about using trigger but it is 65% poly and 35% cotton I think and am not sure if that would be a good idea or if I should go with 100% cotton.  I think wasp-creations uses 60% poly/cotton fabric for her summer-one layer corsets so I think it might work.

I think, when I have time, I am going to make a run to the fabric store and check out some different twills and 100% cotton drill fabric and see if that would work.  After training for a while, and hopefully everything works out ok, maybe I will save up to get that really pretty German coutil that costs about 35 bucks a yard.  Eeeeaak!  I will be moving at snail speed for sure when working with a fabric like that!  :)
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andy #8
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Damn-- I just received my order of "coutil" from tutu.com.

One other thing, and this is tricky. Apparently the pieces should be cut so that the grain is horizontal. I can't quite figure out which direction is grain, and which is crossgrain. Obviously, I'm not going to cut on the bias. Would cutting the pattern so that the "stripes" are vertical, ensure that the least stretch is in the horizontal direction?

(Yes, I'm clueless).
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I also love tracing it out on paper, by hand, once I have all my measurements calculated. Doing it with a printer, in pieces, then taping the pieces together... no. I just take the X-Y coordinates from the crucial points, and note them by hand on a notepad. Tracing the pattern out by hand gives me a "feel" for the curves, and gives me an opportunity to change some curves on the fly, on instinct or purely for experimentation. I use big newspaper sheets for tracing paper - recycle!

I started doing the design/drafting on the computer because I was fed up with the amount of paper I was using just to create a pattern - before it was even traced out! Plus losing myself in all the calculations and stuff... So I started a dummy corset project, noted everything clearly, and then organized the process so I could more or less automate it with Excel. Corel Draw came in when I wanted to know how much fabric I was to use, and then discovered I could use it to tweak my design before tracing the pattern. I compared the resulting pattern to one I knew was good at the time, and the fit was pretty close. The technique eventually yielded my "master" pattern that I use now. And since it is in the computer, I just reopen it, jot down the X-Y figures again, and retrace it if I lose the original paper pattern.

Any tightly woven twill or other non-stretching fabric is suitable as corset fabric, in my opinion and experience. Coutil is just twill that is specially made for corsetmaking - it doesn't stretch and the tight weave resists poking through from the boning. I use a strong, moisture resistant fabric as a base layer, and for bone casings, and if I want to be fancier, something lighter and decorative for the outer facing. I get my fabric from two local fabric stores. I never pay more than $18 a meter/yard, usually it's around $12. The fancy stuff I might indulge a bit more.

If the corset is just used for training, it will eventually be "retired", so it would be acceptable to use less expensive fabric as long as it is strong and doesn't stretch. If the corset is to keep, and alter over time, then it would be worth investing a bit more.

Andy, you're right about having the least (or no) stretch horizontally. I want my corset to reshape me, not vice-versa! My preferred fabric has no stretch in any direction, so I just make sure that all the pieces are cut out parallel to each other, so it looks uniform all the way around when finished.

Jennifer.
Self-discipline and patience are the keys to a tight waist...
The event horizon cannot be reached without some squeezing and pulling...
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I ordered both the black and white coutil from tutu.com and the black seems to be better than the white as far as stretch goes.  (I am not understanding that one?)  Plus I had black smudges on parts of my white.  :(

The whole grosgrain/grain thing is confusing to me too.  I think there is a real good explanation in a sewing book I have somewhere, that I can't seem to find at the moment, so if you want some technical definitions I would suggest looking up a good sewing reference.

What I do is stretch the fabric with my hands to see what it does.  A good marking point is the salvage edge, (usually finished end of fabric that the threads does not run).  I stretch it vertically and then I stretch it horizontally to get an idea if it stretches or not and in what way.  I usually get a good idea which way to lay my pattern pieces by doing this.  From what I understand though, coutil is not suppose to have much to any stretch either way, both horizontal or vertical and that is why it is suppose to be good for corsets.  The stuff I got from tutu.com has stretch both ways?!?!  Not sure why, or maybe I got my lines crossed somewhere about coutil having no stretch, or maybe this coutil is not "true" coutil and that is why they can sell it cheaper?  Not sure.  Maybe you will have better luck with yours though?  I am still going to use mine; I will just strengthen it to make sure it doesn't misbehave.

Jennifer it sounds really neat how you use your computer with your pattern making.  Unfortunately I don't understand enough about those computer programs to understand completely how you do it but it sounds very efficient and seems to work well for you.  I don't use that much paper when I am making a single pattern.  Just my graft paper and then the paper I use to trace the pattern onto.  When I make changes I and the changes are significant enough to have to retrace my whole pattern I guess the paper can add up over time.  Otherwise when I make changes all I do is erase and redraw on my graft paper draft I already have.  It sounds like a really good idea to have this on your computer to save stuff if you lose it.

I can't remember if you mentioned if the pic icon you have for your posts is you.  If so you have a very nice reduction and a real nice shape with your corset.
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tighter_jen #11
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My avatar picture is indeed me. Thank you very much for the compliment!  :-)

That corset is the second one to be designed with my computerized method, and the first one made from my "master pattern". It is the master pattern!

I do about the same as you for the stretch thing, though my fabric doesn't stretch in any direction.

I can't understand how tutu.com could sell fabric as "coutil" if it stretches in any way. If it stretches, they can't call it coutil. It would be advisable to put in a tape at the waist to make sure it doesn't expand there. And the color rubbing off? That's why I'd rather drive 20 minutes to either one of my two favorite fabric stores and be able to lay my hands and eyes on the material before I buy.

I have been working with Corel Draw for almost as long as I have owned computers - about 15 years or so. I just change the drawing scale, like 1/6 or 1/12 scale, and draw the pattern from the Excel data, directly in inches. Then I flip and position the panels so they overlap, and I can see where I need to adjust the curves to make the adjacent panels fit without having to do contortions while sewing. Then I note the new positions of the reference points by selecting them with the mouse - the coordinates of that point appear on screen. I then use a ruler to place the points on paper and then it's "connect the dots", with some assistance from a "curve square".

Excel is rather easy to use, with practice, which I get plenty of at work. It's the math that needs figuring out before the equations are entered into the spreadsheet. Fortunately, that part only needs to be done once!

Jennifer.
Self-discipline and patience are the keys to a tight waist...
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Morgaine #12
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Andy your right that is indeed (at least I find it to be) the hardest part of working with fabrics. I find the best way for me to figure out which way the grain is is to see which direction the print goes (if there is one) the other is the salvage edge. Just give it a bit of a tug and see which way stretches the most and make sure you make your pattern so you cut all the same way which means you might need a bit extra fabric. Hope that makes sense.
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Jennifer your computer pattern making sounds really interesting.  I love the shape of your corset in the photo.  :)  If you don't mind me asking what is the name of the fabric you use that does not stretch?  I was thinking of making a trip to a fabric store to try and find some fabric that doesn't stretch.
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I love the shape too - which is why it's the master pattern!  ;-) It took me some time to get my chest and waist to this point... first I worked the waist down bit by bit then I tried a more conical chest shape - the first couple of weeks were a little difficult, but I persisted. My patience was rewarded! And I love the tight, unyielding grip it has on me. If it doesn't feel tight, it doesn't feel right!

I really don't remember the exact name of the fabric I use, but it's a close and thinner relative of "defender", so it should be in the same section, depending on your fabric store's arrangement. I know which one by the location in the store! I walk in the door and make a beeline straight to it... It is highly moisture resistant and extremely strong. Once sewn together with upholstery thread, it makes a quasi-indestructible corset. It's just a little hot in summer, but not intolerably so (at least for me, others may have a different opinion).

In any case, just go to the fabric store and take the time to look around, feel the different types of fabric, tug on them, compare them, use your instinct. That's how I operate. I might spend an hour or more browsing around, looking, touching, pulling, looking at the cut edge to see if and how it frays, etc. I am completely absorbed in my quest. When I walk out, I usually have exactly what I was looking for, maybe even better, and most likely at a lower cost than I expected.

Jennifer.
Self-discipline and patience are the keys to a tight waist...
The event horizon cannot be reached without some squeezing and pulling...
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OH DARN!  I guess I will have to go shopping!  :)  I am pretty excited about what I might come up.  Thanks for your help.
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